tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post1286188471674994225..comments2024-03-10T09:24:45.565+02:00Comments on Dispatches from Vilnius: Dylan in AmericaJames Fergusonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05901612633415337879noreply@blogger.comBlogger182125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-87956562484736359692010-10-26T22:37:56.921+03:002010-10-26T22:37:56.921+03:00Anyway, the last thing that I remember before toda...Anyway, the last thing that I remember before today was a comment from Gintaras that a book which I had read,Positively Fourth Street (a title which I quoted as an opening to posting here), had been reviewed by Janet Maslin; so, I went in search of her review and then fell down the rabbit hole when her bar-link opened not upon Dylan whom she doesn't seem the least bit interested in now since Dianne Jarreauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14306390792497976059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-86406793616640809252010-10-26T21:15:07.731+03:002010-10-26T21:15:07.731+03:00Carol about ten days ago,
"...his influence[D...Carol about ten days ago,<br />"...his influence[Dylan's] has sometimes sidetracked Sean Wilentz from a career as a serious journalist." <br /><br />as Gintaras posted on <br />October 17, 2010 11:24 PM <br />"Getting back to the book, Wilentz explores Dylan's fascination with the Civil War and 19th century sacral music in the closing chapters."<br /><br />Quite Dianne Jarreauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14306390792497976059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-44631662258518020352010-10-25T07:47:39.388+03:002010-10-25T07:47:39.388+03:00more on 'Red Channels' and the Red Scare:
...more on 'Red Channels' and the Red Scare:<br /><br />http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128005395Tripplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16568801152695491482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-69547722555611322262010-10-25T07:41:30.721+03:002010-10-25T07:41:30.721+03:00''Red Channels''
This right wing ...''Red Channels''<br /><br />This right wing publication's revelations led to black listing of Pete Seeger & Weavers who inspired BD. <br /><br />Tonight, I'm listening to a nostalgia radio show (Steve Darnall's 'Those Were the Days') which features beautiful Marsha Hunt. She was included in that publication and said to be a subversive because of her Tripplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16568801152695491482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-90461569241362043472010-10-22T00:01:59.568+03:002010-10-22T00:01:59.568+03:00I thought Modern Times was pretty good, but there ...I thought Modern Times was pretty good, but there is no sense of urgency anymore. Like Clapton, Dylan seems to enjoy reshaping old music to suit his taste. Still, I enjoy it. As Wilentz noted, he seemed to rediscover his voice. There was a point where it was virtually impossible to listen to him, he sounded so bad.<br /><br />But, he remains a force in the music industry. The concert James Fergusonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05901612633415337879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-19405852025494338102010-10-21T23:07:32.092+03:002010-10-21T23:07:32.092+03:00Wilentz indicates that Dylan's later albums go...Wilentz indicates that Dylan's later albums got much praise though the sales were not as generous as his earlier work. I have checked some of his later works on youtube but cannot develop any interest in the musical direction he took later on in life - perhaps this is because his lyricism is too metaphysical or too unclear for a simple minded guy like me. However, I see that his series on Tripplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16568801152695491482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-63845660549622650422010-10-21T22:51:56.832+03:002010-10-21T22:51:56.832+03:00http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2503731630...http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2503731630200025613#docid=6190373786148553057<br /><br />and there are plenty more on you tubeTripplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16568801152695491482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-86272861001875837722010-10-21T01:30:04.841+03:002010-10-21T01:30:04.841+03:00Joni Mitchell's comments make me think she had...Joni Mitchell's comments make me think she had been doing some drinking. It is also worth noting that she suffers from Morgellons disease, which has been described as delusional parasitosis. Not sure if Joni is all there, if she ever was. But she made some pretty good music in her day.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01343768762996537750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-43849249030213216742010-10-20T22:27:34.388+03:002010-10-20T22:27:34.388+03:00''I see no ethical problem---does anyone e...''I see no ethical problem---does anyone else. ''<br /><br />I did not read all of Dave van Ronk's book but even he said that Dylan was within his rights to cheat just a bit in the interest of art. <br /><br />Heck, over the years I made suggestions that were adopted at work and my managers got all the credit for the way things were now being done. It's just a fact of Tripplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16568801152695491482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-18902443549322608682010-10-20T22:06:55.379+03:002010-10-20T22:06:55.379+03:00I'm still loookin' in.
I don't think ...I'm still loookin' in.<br /><br />I don't think Dylan's behavior was plagerism....thouh he might have not noted sources, most of the notes involved stuff erll in the public domain----but I sense no effort to deceiveanybody or to claim original authorship. I probably way off legally, but I see no ethical problem---does anyone else. Does anyone have any page references to this robertwhelanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12734928563705595948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-40655059383047389512010-10-20T18:40:47.285+03:002010-10-20T18:40:47.285+03:00I think Wilentz noted that Dylan confessed to Joni...I think Wilentz noted that Dylan confessed to Joni Mitchell that he jotted down verses and passages in his notebooks, rarely noting his sources. This apparently served as fodder for Joni's allegations that Dylan is "a fake and a plagiarist," <br /><br />http://www.spinner.com/2010/04/23/joni-mitchell-bob-dylan-fake-plagiarist-feud/<br /><br />I guess he might have cribbed a few ofJames Fergusonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05901612633415337879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-71037036837849805752010-10-20T18:31:30.694+03:002010-10-20T18:31:30.694+03:00''Dylan often didn't reference his sou...''Dylan often didn't reference his sources''<br /><br />One is compelled to wonder just how many hours he spent at the mammoth 42d Street library to research all those Civil War, minstrel show, old church a cappella music, and blues sources. From personal experience I know how time consuming it is to first find where to get info, then to get those librarians to access it, and Tripplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16568801152695491482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-39642630097836942012010-10-20T15:58:59.680+03:002010-10-20T15:58:59.680+03:00Funny thing is, I left New York and moved to Minne...Funny thing is, I left New York and moved to Minnesota many moons ago. I've been told the Gopher state has never been the same since I came here.Tripplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16568801152695491482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-1007883601341631062010-10-20T08:24:32.591+03:002010-10-20T08:24:32.591+03:00Trip, that's another reason I thought Dylan wa...Trip, that's another reason I thought Dylan was closer to Pete Seeger than Woody Guthrie. Seeger also came from a middle-class background but adopted a workingman's lifestyle. Guthrie was the real deal. I suppose it was more appealing for Dylan to think of himself as the next Woody Guthrie, but it was Seeger who gave him entry into the folk movement, and oddly enough Wilentz bypasses James Fergusonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05901612633415337879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-78612769942044208982010-10-20T08:03:32.641+03:002010-10-20T08:03:32.641+03:00Trippler
" NYC has been a haven for refugees ...Trippler<br />" NYC has been a haven for refugees from the Gopher state for a long time."<br /><br />And vice-versa. The funniest story, although not so funny was about Charles Lindbergh's father who was an embezzler in Scandinavia, and purposefully picked out a place like Minnesota which was under-settled and rough, rawly cold, so he could hide out and start over, despite the factDianne Jarreauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14306390792497976059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-77503366612510691552010-10-20T04:27:22.938+03:002010-10-20T04:27:22.938+03:00Just a bit more on myth making & hiding one...Just a bit more on myth making & hiding one's true identity in that era:<br /><br />Wilentz identified Sue Rotolo as BD's sweetheart during his Greenwich Village days. She wrote about him hiding his past and identity in the Village:<br /><br />''Bob's parents were ordinary in a way he was not. He didn't feel he came from the right place considering how he felt about Tripplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16568801152695491482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-50775217333301815062010-10-18T18:18:29.994+03:002010-10-18T18:18:29.994+03:00He certainly is well read and well versed. He has...He certainly is well read and well versed. He has a passion for Robert Burns as well. Can't go wrong there.<br /><br />Although Dylan often didn't reference his sources, I think he honestly wanted to draw attention to them, not away from them. He apparently says as much in Chronicles, which I haven't read yet.James Fergusonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05901612633415337879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-62146539335219951932010-10-18T17:58:54.312+03:002010-10-18T17:58:54.312+03:00''Sacred Harp''
Once again, the f...''Sacred Harp''<br /><br />Once again, the fact that Dylan draws so much musical inspiration from such a wide list of resources proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that he is a true artist.Tripplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16568801152695491482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-23916271962690334732010-10-18T17:47:09.516+03:002010-10-18T17:47:09.516+03:00At one time or another, it seems just about everyo...At one time or another, it seems just about everyone tries his or her luck in NYC. All though, LA would be a close second.James Fergusonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05901612633415337879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-48733252854346197552010-10-18T17:41:50.489+03:002010-10-18T17:41:50.489+03:00~ affected tonalities ~
and his use of the word &...~ affected tonalities ~<br /><br />and his use of the word 'man' as hipsters did in that era - all signs of a true artist<br /><br />In my days of hanging out in the Village you just didn't ask which parts people came from. It's quite easy to keep secrets when nobody knows who you really are. In a big city like NY, it's even easier to do so. <br /><br />Not to get Tripplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16568801152695491482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-4625097367426196692010-10-18T09:24:13.232+03:002010-10-18T09:24:13.232+03:00Getting back to the book, Wilentz explores Dylan&#...Getting back to the book, Wilentz explores Dylan's fascination with the Civil War and 19th century sacral music in the closing chapters. He notes that Dylan had drawn on Henry Timrod for inspiration long before the controversial Modern Times album, which apparently took some quotes verbatim from Timrod's poetry and some even thought the title was a scrambling of Timrod's name, even ifJames Fergusonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05901612633415337879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-27055266185123703132010-10-18T09:14:30.426+03:002010-10-18T09:14:30.426+03:00No need to remove posts. The recent comments upda...No need to remove posts. The recent comments updates allow you to come in at the tail end of the discussion, and pick up the thread. <br /><br />I think one of the problems in doing a reading of a contemporary figure or event is that we tend to get easily sidetracked, as I did as well on the VS thing. Just thought it was funny.James Fergusonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05901612633415337879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-36775395950993741182010-10-18T08:26:42.689+03:002010-10-18T08:26:42.689+03:00No, actually my post is up there above the latest....No, actually my post is up there above the latest. They just didn't tell me they had decided to put it up after it apparently had seemed to disappear from my computer-end of the exchange! Thank God, as I would not have the heart ot attempt to repeat that again.Dianne Jarreauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14306390792497976059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-79408866618489602962010-10-18T08:23:24.492+03:002010-10-18T08:23:24.492+03:00Trippler,
I just had a novel experience, ...Trippler,<br /> I just had a novel experience, in reply to your post of the 15th re: myths people make up about you when you arrive in the Village as compared to myths Dylan could have but would he,etc.<br /><br />Plus a whole packet of info on how you get your Jewish accent in the first place.<br /><br />When I put the preview up to post, they wanted my Girl Scout Badge Number, and if I Dianne Jarreauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14306390792497976059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9103772230302021699.post-29715446107638705632010-10-18T08:09:37.934+03:002010-10-18T08:09:37.934+03:00Tripp October 15, 2010 4:26 PM
" It's k...Tripp October 15, 2010 4:26 PM<br /><br />" It's kinda easy to make up myths about yourself when no one can readily identify..."<br /><br />In those days, they kinda made up myths about you so that you would barely recognize yourself. It had something to do with being New Faces. Oddly enough, the Village has always been a community and people tend to get settled in and not wander Dianne Jarreauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14306390792497976059noreply@blogger.com