Tuesday, April 5, 2011

Conversos in America

I was able to find Atlantic Diasporas available on-line, which looks into the impact Conversos and other Jews had on the mercantile industry in America from 1500-1800.

Trippler recommended Cecil Roth's A History of the Marranos.  This link provides an on-line preview.

There is also Conversos of the Americas by Keith Fogel.  I was only able to find a preview at amazon.

Feel free to continue the discussion on Conversos in America here.



  1. Trippler, Attempted to leave a message earlier as after reading pertinent discussion before the weekend, I did some quick historical research, inspired parallel to an article on current population which includes my relatives.

    But what struck me in reading the previous discussion in here, everybody commenting seemed to have developed a mental block about when this division historically occurred well in advance of the Inquisition. So, I've loosely outlined it as to historical sources and references to web-sites,etc. I can post it here or you can contact me at Escape from Elba
    before everybody starts the Americanization phase; as I realize, you will begin Triangle within a week. I had as much as I could take on the anniversary, because a relative of the Triangle Factory owners presented an article in my favorite Jewish weekly reading, after which I watched the HBO film: Triangle.

  2. DJ ~ I checked but couldn't find a message for me from you here or in Escape. Please send the PM again, either site will do.

  3. Xerxes and the Persian Wars lost to the Greeks

    "the forced detention of Jews in Babylonia following the latter's conquest of the kingdom of Judah in 598/7 and 587/6 bc.", to be found in Encyclopedia Britanica, under Babylonian Exile

    references to notes from Herodotus (Ahasuerus/Xerxes preparation for war with the Greeks which he lost to the Greeks prior to the coronation of Esther (485 B,C. to 465 B.C.)



    Catholic Encyclopedia (translator uses spelling as Assureus)

    Gaius Julius Caesar (13 July 100 BC – 15 March 44 BC)
    The conquest of Gaul (58-54)
    "Gaul as a whole consisted of a multitude of states of different ethnic origin. In the late Iron Age, their different cultures had started to resemble each other, largely by processes of trade and exchange. The Greeks and Romans called all these nations Celts or Gauls.

    In the second century, mass migrations from Germanic tribes had started, for reasons that remain unclear to us. (Climatological changes are sometimes mentioned, but the evidence is contradictory.) Marius had defeated some of their tribes, the Teutones and the Cimbri, but in Caesar's days it was probably not a gross exaggeration to say that the states of Gaul would have to become Roman or would be overrun by Germans, who would proceed to attack Italy. If the Romans were afraid of the Gauls, they were terrified of the Germans."



  4. Time has flown but about six or more years ago at nytimes.com, a new reader actually mentioned it might be fun to read:Josephus. She was very scholarly inclined but then she realized on second thought that Josephus is extensive.

    My favorite is a much shorter, in fact, rather thin little book by Natalie Dupont who did her thesis academically along the Cote d'Azur; I owe her a debt of gratitude for her offering the most succinct description of how Roman slavery actually functioned, in that you might be "farmed out to work" and put earnings by or, you might take work for yourself beyond your ordinary duties for pay that you would amass to purchase your freedom. She points out, that the Empire being extensive,Romans seldom entertained prejudices discriminating against one origin rather than another among slaves who became citizens after buying the freedom to do so. Neither did they consider one's sexual preferences unusual. We of course view them from a distance that has forgotten how they differ from where we are.

  5. Ps. I also want to hunt up that article again from The Tablet about how Sefardim or Mizrahi live in California and elsewhere today, now quite unlike other communities who sometimes resent the way they would seem to have been breaking those old revered customs that were written in stone after Egypt.